How You Get The… Guys? — Episode 197 of Taylor Talk: The Taylor Swift Podcast

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THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN! In Episode 197, we have an all-guys panel to discuss Taylor Swift’s song “How You Get the Girl,” a manual on how to get a girl back after you messed up the relationship. The guys discuss the cinematic style of the song, whether or not the female character is a strong one, and have a heated debate over the validity of the Taylor Talk 13-point song rating system. Diane isn’t a fan of “How You Get the Girl” and the all-guys panel has differing opinions on the song, but what do you think? Leave your comments below (and vote which guy should stay on Taylor Talk… heheh). Enjoy the episode!

Highlights from Episode 197 of Taylor Talk: The Taylor Swift Podcast
Main Discussion: “How You Get The Girl” Song Analysis
– Fun Fact: Steve was on the first all guys episode, and then never left the show. Vote in the poll to see which guy should stay this time! 😛
– Does the treatment of the female character in the song support feminism?
– “How You Get the Girl” should really be called “How You Get the Girl BACK.”
– This song is written like it’s straight out of a 1980’s John Hughes movie. Even the title is cinematic.
– The word “ghost” keeps haunting Taylor Swift’s songs. What’s the meaning of the word “ghost” in this song?
– “How You Get the Girl” is reminiscent of the Speak Now Era.
– The panel gets HEATED about the 13-point scale rating system. You do not give a Taylor Swift song less than a 13 EVER, says Adam.

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  • Brittany Jamison

    This was a very interesting choice to analyze!Great episode! HYGTG I admit is one of my least favorites on the album. My main criticism of the song- its not believable that a 24/5 year old woman actually believes these are the ways a guy gets the girl; the naivete throws me off. Its a very teenage idea of relationships and imagery and, I’m glad you touched on this. It sounds like she was trying to appeal to the nostalgia in those of us who were actually young during the Fearless era and would have thought or felt this way. Its fantasy and nostalgic at the same time. The main thing that has always intrigued me about Taylor’s music is how much fantasy, dreams, fiction, wishes, memories, the past etc are intertwining recurring themes in all her albums in some way. Especially with 1989 “going back” plays out in so many different ways on so many different levels. So here, maybe its moreso Taylor (as a woman in her mid 20s) throwing herself back to perhaps her younger, more innocent or naive conceptualizations of love or relationships before she had certain experiences in love particularly with the media (i.e. I Know Places and Wonderland). Not necessarily that she wishes she were 17 again, but rather revisiting past both in the actual 1980s pop culture past and her own past notions on love, etc.

    Also, the song Fearless is revolves around fantasy because it is about “the best first date ever” that never did happen or exist. Lyrically, for the age she was when she wrote it it does sound like something a typical 17 or 18 year old would wish or fantasize for . Connecting back with how HYGTG could be a throwback to that era in terms of mindset and lyricism, its interesting that the events in this song never happen because maybe, this relationship itself was just a dream/not real (i.e “a ghost”). And that the pictures in frames of kisses on cheeks don’t exist anywhere but in her imagination (not unlike dancing with the guy in the middle of the parking lot) yet she wishes it were real and could happen to her.