Taylor’s Letter to Apple: The Power of Swift — Episode 186 of Taylor Talk: The Taylor Swift Podcast

taylor swift appleWhen Taylor Swift speaks, Apple listens. Early on June 21st, Taylor Swift posted a letter on Tumblr asking Apple to reconsider its compensation structure during the 3 month free trial period for the upcoming Apple Music streaming service. During Apple Music’s 3 month free trial period, Apple said they would not pay the artist, a point Taylor Swift strongly disagreed with. However, by the power of Swift and concerned artists everywhere, APPLE AGREED TO CHANGE THEIR MODEL! This is a huge victory for Taylor and artists everywhere who deserve to be fairly compensated for their art.

But…. that awkward moment when you record a podcast after Taylor wrote her letter to Apple but moments before Apple announced their decision. Cue immediately out-of-date podcast episode. Still though, in Episode 186, Adam and Diane get to debate between Apple vs. Taylor, and discuss the big questions in the music industry right now: How should artists be compensated? Who should compensate them? Even though Apple now sided with Taylor Swift, the compensation discussion is still an important discussion to have. Let us know what you think in the comments below. Enjoy the episode!

Highlights from Episode 186 of Taylor Talk: The Taylor Swift Podcast
Main Discussion: “To Apple, Love Taylor”
– Taylor has been pushing Music Has Value since she wrote her Wall Street Journal editorial last summer.
– We learned with Spotify that if Taylor doesn’t agree with a music streaming service’s compensation structure, she’s out.
– “We don’t ask you for free iPhones. Please don’t ask us to provide you with our music for no compensation.” BOOM.
– The Apple fanboy in Adam has a hard time deciding whether or not to side with Team Apple or Team Swift (Spoiler alert: Apple is Team Swift).
– The big question: Does a music streaming service’s promotion of the artist count as compensation?
– If Taylor can influence the largest company on the planet, what else is she capable of?

Other Topics:

– Happy Father’s Day to all the dads out there, including Scott Swift!
– Echosmith, Rachel Platten, Cara Delevingne, and Mariska Hargitay surprised the crowd at the 1989 World Tour stop in Philadelphia!
OK! Magazine needs to stop their disgusting, misogynistic articles right now. #Feminism
– You know you’re a Swifty when there was never a more perfect time to wear your TEAM TAYLOR jersey.

– June 21: The 1989 World Tour – Amsterdam
– June 23: The 1989 World Tour – Glasgow, Scotland, UK
– June 24: The 1989 World Tour – Manchester, UK
– June 27: The 1989 World Tour – London, UK
– June 29 & 30: The 1989 World Tour – Dublin, Ireland

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  • simmnfierzig

    Fun discussion and I sort of get where Adam is coming from, but I’m glad Apple changed the policy. Those 3 months are mainly a promotion for the new Apple service and not for the artists, although some artists will surely benefit from it.
    Curious to see if 1989 will now be on there. Guess it will be when Taylor feels that Apple is paying enough and with being premium only you would think that they do, but it’s not guaranteed.
    This whole “how will the music industry look in 5 or 10 years” is very intriguing. Spotify is great for the customers, but apparently it’s not working for the artists and we’ll see if Apple music will work better.

  • Louuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

    (the sun is stronger in Australia in Winter then it is in London in Summer fun fact)

    • Diane

      😀 Thank you Lou!


    I was just talking about this with my friend after listening to this epsoide, I agree with Taylor on how new singers, songwriters, or band needs something to be relied on if music is the only thing they do but i also think that apple is doing the right thing with just letting no money go to any one I mean if you think about its fair apple is not getting any money either ( I know apple changed but this is my opinion before they changed) I am really pretty much netural but I am looking forword for the apple music!also I am very sorry for my poor spelling

  • Roger Pugsley

    Sorry Adam, I agree with Diane. Artists / producers / writers should not have to pay Apple’s customer acquisition costs. Apple has much deeper pockets than any of the creative music people (even Taylor!). If Apple had not agreed to change its policy to pay artists etc, I think the default position should have been for creative teams prepared to give their work away for 3 months to new Apple customers to opt in rather than have to opt out as Taylor did initially.

    • Diane

      Good point, Roger. I think that should have been the default position as well if Apple hadn’t changed their policy!

    • Taylor Talk Adam

      I didn’t say it on the episode, but I’ve always been a bit of a conspiracy theorist, and I kind of feel like this whole thing was a giant publicity stunt! LOL.

      1) It drew A LOT of attention to Apple’s new service a week before launch.
      2) Paying artists unfair rates is what got Spotify and the others bad publicity and is now a huge differentiating factor between existing services and Apple’s new one
      3) With one week til launch and the “change of heart” taking place the same day as Taylor’s letter, is it REALLY possible for Apple to alter their policy so quickly? — Just being realistic, I’m sure there was a lot of legal documentation and all kinds of other things that Apple would have to re-do.

      I could be wrong, but we’ll never really know, will we? :-)

      • Roger Pugsley

        No we probably won’t but it is an interesting theory Adam! If it is correct and ever got out I think it would damage Taylor’s credibility.

  • Lily

    I’m with Diane I think that it is unfair to ask artists for their songs and work without paying or giving something in return I hope they change the system

    • Diane

      Lily, Apple changed the system! They will now be paying the artists :)